'Hate' is subjective: whether speech or crime
Dear Minister Goldsmith,
'Hate' is an important term referencing a powerful emotion. Where individuals in our society are targets of hate, we must work to counter this hate and promote tolerance and inclusiveness.
'Hate' is a powerful term, but an unavoidably subjective one; this is true whether it is used against word or action.
It is not the role of our criminal justice system or laws more generally to regulate this emotion.
We have insisted that 'hate' speech laws would simply introduce a means to censor unpopular opinions. We applaud your decision to stop work on these proposals.
'Hate' crime laws suffer from the same weaknesses and have no place in a liberal democracy that values freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the rule of law.
Introducing 'hate' crime laws would see police and the judiciary tasked with deciding if one individual acted more criminally than another despite breaking the very same law, based on their motivations not their actions.
We have no interest in defending criminal actions. If an individual breaks the law, they must be held accountable. But the law must apply impartially, regardless of who breaks it. There aren't 'right' reasons to break the law, or reasons that are 'more wrong' than others.
Breaking the law for 'hate' shouldn't stand alone as a category any more than breaking the law for 'love'. Who is impartial enough to determine objectively when either of these would apply?
Keep our laws impartial, the rule of law strong, and our speech and consciences free.
We call on Hon. Paul Goldsmith, the Minister of Justice, to reject all advice to develop 'hate' crime legislation that would introduce unacceptable subjectivity into our laws, and be used to target unpopular perspectives and unorthodox beliefs.
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Susan Creedy signed 2024-04-10 16:49:40 +1200There is a deeply concerning radical element in our society that is changing the fabric of our culture into an intolerant, ignorant, self righteous and dangerously divided set of communities. More than ever now I am hearing of families being split apart with sad consequences of serious loss of connection. It appears to be driven politically for some odd reason. My own daughter is a victim of this brainwashing and she is in her mid fifties. She supported the protests of the Posie Parker rally and was part of the contingent in Wellington waiting for her arrival. She was delighted that her “group” had driven her away. I know of others who have had similar experiences regarding racial issues and? they are government bureaucrats, as my daughter is. I am not allowed to EVER contact her in any way again and all I have done is defend the freedom to speak.
There is a difference between hatred and offensiveness. If one is offended one can walk away but hate infers danger to life or limb i.e. a threat such as “I will kill/hurt you”. If this is a reportable crime it must be investigated but reporting offence is daft. However, the law must be very clear to be effective and fair. It is interesting that my daughter can wipe me from her life because I don’t agree with her but she can support people she believes are harmed by speech. Hypocritical nonsense. This, believe me, is now becoming a sadly common experience of folk of my age. This needs to be a factor for consideration in guiding this country into a decent, inclusive, democratic society. -
Colin Hildreth signed 2024-04-10 16:49:26 +1200
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Tony Ivicevich signed 2024-04-10 16:48:22 +1200
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Mark Adams signed 2024-04-10 16:47:25 +1200
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raa austin signed 2024-04-10 16:46:56 +1200Hate is too subjective to be considered in law.
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John Innes signed 2024-04-10 16:46:30 +1200
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Sue Orpwood signed 2024-04-10 16:46:06 +1200
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Newton Groves signed 2024-04-10 16:45:38 +1200
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Andrew Conway signed 2024-04-10 16:45:21 +1200
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Nick Brook signed 2024-04-10 16:45:19 +1200“Hate Crime” laws will make us LESS SAFE.
They will give bad actors claiming to represent the State and others a dangerous power to ABUSE. -
Michael Martin signed 2024-04-10 16:45:05 +1200
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Michael Brathwaite signed 2024-04-10 16:44:59 +1200
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julian young signed 2024-04-10 16:44:40 +1200
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keith boyd signed 2024-04-10 16:44:36 +1200
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Trevor Williams signed 2024-04-10 16:43:08 +1200
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Fergus Wheeler signed 2024-04-10 16:42:54 +1200
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Colin Bray signed 2024-04-10 16:42:41 +1200
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Coleen & Neville Hastie signed 2024-04-10 16:42:14 +1200
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justin cargill signed 2024-04-10 16:41:39 +1200
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Robert James King signed 2024-04-10 16:41:29 +1200
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Anne Lear signed 2024-04-10 16:41:24 +1200Hate speech laws/hate crimes would have a chilling effect on public debate. In particular the reintroduction of de facto blasphemy laws would mean being unable to fully debate religious ideologies, including those wishing to force their rules of behaviour on all of society. We should not be restricting rights of free expression in any way, threats of or direct incitement to violence excepted.
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Chris Rosewarne signed 2024-04-10 16:41:03 +1200We can decide for ourselves what constitutes hate. The law should be applied evenly without subjective terms such us “hate” being decided arbitrarily.
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Teresa Irving signed 2024-04-10 16:41:00 +1200
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Paul Butler signed 2024-04-10 16:40:52 +1200
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Melanie Norton signed 2024-04-10 16:40:30 +1200
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Greg Sheehan signed 2024-04-10 16:40:19 +1200Who determines what is hate, and what isn’t? Totally subjective depending on point of view and perhaps political motives. Plenty of proof already in Scotland and the UK.
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Roberta Budvietas signed 2024-04-10 16:40:12 +1200There are 2 sides to every statement.
Taking things personally is one of the hardest things not to do, especially when feelings, insecurity and victim/martyrdom are the norm for stressed people or people suffering overload, mental problems, depression and just overload -
George Powrie signed 2024-04-10 16:39:09 +1200No rule for one ,different for another
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Lovell Greybe signed 2024-04-10 16:39:06 +1200
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Maryanne White signed 2024-04-10 16:38:53 +1200
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